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Introduction

Read this first and ask after that
advices

from THI
S thread if you need any help !

I will try update this
regularly when it is needed so components should be up to date. Some products have links to reviews
and at the end are a few system units made ready for you.

At the very ending of this first post should be a list of price follow
-
up
websites.

This thread's meaning is to reduce those threads where people keep asking what to buy next or is their
selected components compatible and a good choice. Reading and thinking takes only a little moment and
after reading you will know what to choos
e and even if you have something to ask after that, ASK!

Prices maybe are not up to date, or actually most likely they are not. The example system units should
be fine.

Any tips or ways to improve this thread are welcomed!

Content:



Motherboard (MB)



Process
or (CPU)



Graphic Card (GPU)



Memory (RAM)



Hard disks (HDD, SDD)



Chassis / Case



Power Supply Unit (PSU)



Optical Drives



Operating System



CPU Cooler



GPU Cooler



Case Fans



Screens



Shops



Assembly



Examples

Motherboard:

X58: (Core i7 processors)



Asus P6T Deluxe
-

~255€

Attention: Supports CrossfireX and SLI techniques

Socket 775

The newest Intel's chips on the market are P43 and P45, more expensive ones are X38 and X48 but hold
very little meaning for common user. G31/P31 and P43 are good for net or office use. Also mini
-
ITX is a
good choice if you don't need so much
performance.
Chips starting with G letter have an integrated
graphics processing unit (GPU). P45 is already much better choice for overclocking or game PC because it
has more interface plugins.


A quick view at Asus P45 P5Q series:

P5Q series has so many motherboards t
hat common users do not know what differences they have. So,
the basic P5Q motherboard has a weaker cooling than P5Q
-
PRO model and the Pro model has CrossfireX
feature too. P5QC motherboard supports DDR2 and DDR3 memory chips but other than that it is simi
lar
to P5Q. E
-
model is pretty much same as Pro but interface plugins
layout is better and one firewire
interface more. Third PCI
-
Ex16 interface is not needed at all. Deluxe model has 16 phase power supply
for CPU (central processing unit). Practically does
n't mean anything until you are using over 1.8 voltage
for Vcore. Interface layout is better than in Pro model, only a little bit better cooling for chips. P5Q3
DELUXE/WIFI
-
AP is exactly as same as normal Deluxe but it has an external sound card so a bit h
igher
price is justifiable.

For game PC or overclocking:



Asus P5Q Pro
-

~121€
-

Review



Maximus II Formula
-

~204€
-

Review

(Optimized for dual
-
core
-
> High F
ront
S
ide
B
us

guarantee)



Biostar Tpower I45
-

~138€
-

Review

(Great MB for overclocking)

For budget and net use:



MSI G43M2
-
F
-

~88€
-

Budget and net use, has integrated GPU



Gigabyte GA
-
EG41MF
-
S2H
-

~100€
-

Good motherboard

for basic computer with integrated GPU



MSI P43 Neo
-
F
-

~72€
-

Net use and is capable for little overclocking too.


AM2+:
'Eats' cheap DDR2 memory chips, supports Phenom II processors



Asus M4N78 PRO
-

~84€
-

Good basic motherboard with integrated nVidia GP
U



Gigabyte GA
-
MA78GM
-
US2H
-

~84€
-

Basic motherboard with integrated ATI HD3200 GPU



Gigabyte 790
GP
-

~135€
-

A very good motherboard with integrated HD3300 GPU



LANPARTY DK 790FXB
-
m2RSH
-

~155€
-

Website



Asus M4A78T
-
E
-

~125€
-

A cheap motherboard with 790FX chipset, supports C
rossfireX with two
PCI
-
Ex16 gen 2.
0 speeds.


AM3:

AM3 motherboards support DDR2 and DDR3 memory dims but
DOES NOT SUPPORT AM+2
processors



Gigabyte GA
-
MA790FXT
-
UD5P
-

~160€
-

Review



Giga
byte GA
-
MA790XT
-
UDP4
-

~120€
-

A cheap quality AM3 motherboard.
A good choice for any
AM3 system if you don't do extreme overclocking



ASUS M4A78
-
E ~115€
-

A good motherboard with 790GX chipset, integrated ATI HD3300 GPU
and is pretty good for overclocking

too



ASUS M4A79T DELUXE
-

~185€
-

The best AM3 motherboard for overclocking


m
-
ITX/ATX



Intel D945GCLF2
-

~?
-


Review

(
mini
-
ITX motherboard with Intel ATOM 330 processor [dualcore])



Gigabyte GA
-
EG45M
-
DS2H
-

~124€



Gigabyte GA
-
EG43M
-
S2H
-

~97€



Zotac GeForce 9300
-
ITX

WiFi
-

~130€
-

Review

-

Socket 775, Wireless G, 15cm x 15cm size,
PCI
-
Ex16 interface, integrated GeForce 9300 GPU, two DDR2 dims. Good for game PC /
HomeTheater PC (HTPC)



Zotac GeForce

8200
-
ITX Wifi
-

~85€
-

Socket AM2+, Wireless G, 15cm x 15cm, integrated
GF8200. Good for net use / HTPC



Asus P5Q
-
VM
-

~114€


Processor:

If you're planning to buy a high
-
end computer, you should look for AMD Phenom II 9
-
series processors or
with bigger bud
get you maybe should consider Intel Core i7. With small budget an AMD Phenom II 550 is
a good choice


INTEL:

Dual
-
core



E5200
-

~60€
-

Perfonmance test

-

A budget processor but offers gaming perfomance too if
overclocked a bit



E7400
-

~
110€
-

A bit more powerful than E5200



E8400
-

~
152€
-

More powerful than E7400 or E5200



E8500
-

~169€
-

A bit more powerful than E8400

Quad
-
core (physical)



Core i7 920

(so
cket 1366)

-

~270€

(4 physical + 4 logical processors with Hyper Thread
technology enabled)



Core i7 940

(socket 1366)

-

~510€
(4 physical + 4 logical processors with Hyper Thread
technology enabled)



Core i7 965

(socket 1366)
-

~900
-
1000€(4 physical + 4
logical processors with Hyper Thread
technology enabled)



Q9550 (socket 775)
-

~240€
-

The smartest choice probably, has almost 3Ghz stock clock speed.

It is very hard to recommend a better Core i7 processor than 920 for "common" user because 940 is very
expensive when compared to performance increase.

Here is a link for Intel's quad core processor test
Intel's quad
-
core

test


AMD:

Dual
-
core



AMD Athlon 64 X2 5050e

-

~60€
-

A good processor for HTPC because it is 45W model



AMD Athlon 64 X2 7550
-

~60€
-

A good processor for AM2+ desktop motherboards



AMD Athlon II 250

BE

-

~75€
-

A good AM3 budg
et processor for AM3 desktops. A c
hance to
activate extra cores with
ACC utility



AMD Phenom II 550

BE

-

~90€
-

Excellent dual
-
core processor for gaming for budget systems. A
chance to activate extra cores with
ACC utility

Tri
-
core



AMD Phenom II 710
-

~115€
-

Good for basic computer if not looking for extreme overclocking



AMD Phenom II 720 BE
-

~135€
-

Good for gamin
g when overclocked a bit

Quad
-
core



AMD Phenom II 945
-

~200€
-

Good 4
-
core processor. Can be overclocked near to 3.8
-
4GHz with
a good air cooler



AMD Phenom II 965 BE
-

~230€
-

The best AMD's 4
-
core processor for AM3 motherboards.

Important note: You should

invest to AM3 motherboard instead AM2+ motherboard because AM3
motherboards have longer life by upgrade capability. Also get DDR3 AM3 motherboard instead DDR2
because DDR2 and DDR3 price is not so far from each other anymore and DDR3 will have longer upgr
ade
capability again than DDR2.


Graphic card:

Remember that manufacturer doesn't matter at all. Choose the cheapest! If the more expensive one has
a better cooler then higher price is acceptable if you don't want your system unit sound like a vacuum
clean
er.

SLI and CrossfireX are a bit problematic
systems. Some games don't support both technologies so
efficiently. As an example: "One nvidia and one ATI graphic cards are equal with single card. With two
nvidia and two ATI graphic cards a game has better s
upport for SLI. (Meant to be Played "nVidia"
-

brand
often)". So it is wiser to get one more powerful graphic card than get a dual chip, SLI or CrossfireX
systems.

ATI



HD 4650 512MB
-

~50€
-

Good for picture editing & mid
-
end gaming



HD 4670 512MB
-

~65€
-

Good for picture editing & mid
-
end gaming



HD 4770 1GB
-

~90€
-

Good for gaming (better than HD4850)



HD 4850
-

1GB ~110€
-

Good for gaming



HD 4870
-

1GB ~150€
-

Good for gaming (better than HD4770 or HD4850, buy with better
cooler than reference)



HD 4890
-

1GB ~165€
-

Good for gaming (the best 1 chip card, buy with better cooler than
reference)



HD 4870x2 2GB ~330€
-

One card has two HD4870 chips (Use 1920x1200 resolution atleast or
no meaning to buy)

nVidia



GF GTX 260 SP216 (v2)
-

~160€
-

Uses only 105W, che
ap even with a good cooler but refence is
good also. Lots of overclocking potential



GF GTX 275
-

~ 220€
-

About as good as ATI HD 4890 1GB



GF GTX 285
-

~ 280€



GF GTX 295 (1.7GB)
-

~ 400€
-

The flagship card of nVidia



Memory:

You have to purchase atleast
4GB memory to any computer. Get it even if you had 32bit operating
system, even though it won't be able to use all memory. For serious picture editing 8GB might be a good
idea.

DDR2



2x2GB 800MHz CL5 kit of the
CHEAPEST

memory modules
-

~40€

DDR3

AMD
systems are only able to use DUAL
-
CHANNEL DDR3. INTEL CORE i7 SYSTEMS USE TRIPLE
-
CHANNEL!



2x2GB 1333MHz
-

~55€
-

AMD Phenom II and Athlon II systems!



3x6GB 1333MHz
-

~85€
-

Core i7 systems!


Hard disks:

Hard disks are the slowest component of your system.
Old Hard Disk Drives are vulnerable to shocks and
have moving parts that generate noise. The slowest part of the HDD is the read/write head. Well now we
have Solid State Disks also on the market. They don't have any moving parts and makes them sturdier
tha
n HDD's and much faster. S
-
ATA II bus soon doesn't have any enough bandwidth. They are only at
this moment much more expensive than normal HDDs but with a few years they should become more
popular and price should drop closer to normal HDD prices.



Western
Digital AALS 640GB
-

~65€
-

Fast, great quality, silent, enough capacity and cheap



Samsung Spinpoint 1TB
-

~80€
-

Fast, great quality, silent, very big capacity and cheap



Western Digital FALS 1TB
-

~100€
-

Fast , great quality, long 5 year warranty and sil
ent



Western Digital Velociraptor 150GB
-

~170€
-

Really fast (has also 300GB model)



OCZ Core Series V2 SSD 32GB
-

~166€
-

Ludicrous fast, soundless (has also 64GB, 128GB and
256GB models) Remember to buy newer version!



Chassis / Case
:

Choosing a chassis is important. It has to look good, it needs to have good air flow so components stay
cool and probably you want to experience easy installation also. More expensive cases have cable
management too where you can
most of the cables behind
the motherboard.

ATX:



Antec P182B
-

~120€
-

Big

tower
, Silent



Sonata III
-

~99€
-

A good basic

tower

case with high quality 500W power supply



Antec Three Hundred
-

~50€
-

Cheap, great air flow

tower case
, a little bit noisy and HDDs don't
have noise reduct
ion



LIAN Li A70
-

~190€
-

Big

tower, smart air flow, easy to add noise reduction materials, light
weight (Aluminum)



LIAN Li A71
-

~220€
-

Improved version of A70

E
-
ATX



Antec P193
-

~170€
-

Review

-

Very big tower case with great air flow.

Has lots of room for water
cooling systems

Power Supply Unit:

Do NOT buy too big power supply unit!

Why? Well of co
urse because it won't be running with the best
efficiency anymore and makes your electricity bill to grow. When the continuous power draw is about 60
-
70% of the PSU's max output, it will work with the best efficiency it can offer. Well of course it might b
e
logical to think about upgradeability too. Well I can tell you this: The power consumption of new
components is not going to any higher in future. So don't buy those 1kW powers without real need.

Modular
:

(Removable cables, no extra cables running insid
e the case anymore)



Corsair HX520
-

~110€
-

Modular, above 80% efficiency, watt amount is real (520W continuous)



Corsair HX620
-

~140€
-

Modular, above 80% efficiency, watt amount is real (620W continuous)



Enermax Modu82+2 425W
-

~89€
-

Modular, 80% effici
ency, watt amount is real (425W
continuous)



Enermax Modu82+ 525
-

~114€
-

Modular, 80% efficiency, watt amount is real (525W
continuous)

Solid cables:



Corsair 400W
-

~55€
-

Is enough for HD4890 or HD 4770 CrossfireX
, watt amount is real, 80%
efficiency



Corsair 450W
-

~72€ watt amount is real, 80% efficiency



Corsair 550W
-

~85€
-

Enough for HD4890 CrossfireX extreme overclocking, watt amount is real,
80% efficiency



Corsair TX650W
-

~100€
-

Enough for HD4870x2 CrossfireX, watt amount is real, 80% efficienc
y



Corsair TX750W
-

~ 130€
-

Enough for 4870x2 CrossfireX and extreme overclocking!, watt
amount is real, 80% efficiency



Enermax Pro82+ 425W
-

~79€
-

watt amount is real, 80% efficiency



Enermax Pro82+ 525W
-

~99€
-

watt amount is real, 80% efficiency



Opti
cal drives:

Remember to take Serial ATA model! Anything else but
NOT

Samsung SH
-
S223F

model! (has firmware
problems). Bulks are ok if they have Nero program with them. Just remember to buy correct color so that
is matches your chassis



Samsung SH
-
S223B
-

~20€



Lite
-
on 22X DVD±RW Dual Layer
-

~20€



LG 22X DVD±RW Dual Layer
-

~20€


Operating System:

I suggest Windows 7 RC 64bit, because you can use it for free still year 2010 then it stops working and
you need to buy it.



Windows Vista Prerium 64bit
-

~100€
-

B
uy only 64bit versions!



Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit
-

~170€
-

Has all features



Windows Vista Prerium 64bit w/ Win7
-

~120€
-

Has an update right to Windows 7 Prerium 64bit



Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit w/ Win7
-

~190€
-

Has an update right to Windows 7 Ulti
mate 64bit


CPU coolers:

Mostly your processor is supplied with stock cooler. Well sad reality is the stock cooler is very noisy and is
barely able to keep your CPU somewhat cool. If you want more silent PC then buy better CPU cooler.



Scythe Mugen

II
-

~45€
-

The best air cooler, the most silent but the most efficient too



Xigmatek HDT
-
S1283
-

~41€
-

I suggest you to buy "Dark Knight" because it has "Bolt Thru Kit"



Noctua NH
-
U12P
-

~58€



Noctua NH
-
C12P
-

~60€
-

Cools CPU's power supply, memory module
s too.



OCZ Vendetta 2
-

~35€



Thermalright Ultra
-
120 Extreme
-

52€

Xigmatek and OCZ are almost copies of each other but these both have poor Socket 775 tap fastening.
Bolt Thru kit solves the problem, it costs about 12€


GPU coolers:

Remember to check compatibility from manufacturers website!
Warranty voided

often when you
change cooler for your graphic card!

GPU cooler is designed to offer more cooling power than stock
cooler. Sometimes GPU coolers are really noisy under heavy load.



Z
alman VF1000 LED
-

~39€



Scythe Musashi
-

~40€



Accelero Twin Turbo
-

~30€



Accelero S1 Rev.2
-

~20€



Coolink GFXChilla
-

~30€

Coolers for ATI/AMD HD 4xxx cards need a proper power supply coolers otherwise you will need to say
goodbyes to your card. None of th
e GPU coolers have a power supply's cooler heat sink, so it needs to be
bought otherwise the card will burn itself.



Enzotech BMR
-
C1
-

~18€



Zalman ZM
-
RHS1
-

~10€

nVidia G92 and G94 (8800GT/GTS) and 9xxx cards can manage without card's power supply coolers
but
they need atleast a fan to blow air for them.

For Accelero doesn't have fans with it so you need to purchase them.



Nexus real silent 120mm
-

~7€
-

Cheap and good fans



Noctua 120mm
-

~18€
-

High quality


Case f
ans:

Chassis needs always case coolers if
it wasn't supplied with them. This things keep your whole system
unit cool when they transfer hot air from inside to outside.



Nesus Real Silent 120mm
-

~7€
-

Cheap and good fans



Noctua P12
-
1300
-

~19€
-

1300 RPM, silent, high perfonmance



Noctua

S12
-
1200
-

~18€
-

1200 RPM, silent



Noctua S12
-
800
-

~18€
-

800RPM, more silent



Scythe S
-
Flex 21D
-

~18€
-

Heavy weight, 800, 1200 and 1600 RPM models, silent



Scythe Slip Stream
-

~16€
-

500, 800, 1200, 1600 and 1900 RPM models, the best airflow /
noise ra
te on the market


Screens:

You maybe should take 24" screen, because price difference is very low. 24" TN
-
panel screen costs about
200€ and 22" TN
-
panel screen costs about 150€.

TN
-
Panel is not good for editing but for gaming and
general use it is good bec
ause it is cheap and big. T
-
IPS is a way better than TN but costs about twice
more than TN panel.

TN
-
panel



BenQ G2400WD
-

~199€
-

A good screen for "budget" gaming PC

MVA
-
panel



Benq FP241W
-

~430€
-

Good for editing

H
-
IPS
-
panel



LG W2600HP
-
BF
-

~500€
-

A
very good gaming

monitor. Good for editing too, low input
-
lag, 26"
size, Much better than TN
-
panel technology



HP LP2475W
-
~570€
-

Excellent screen for editing, "connect all devices to this"
-
screen. Maybe
not so as good as LG W2600HP
-
BF for gaming due high
er
-
input lag.


Shops:



Need here American shops, European shops that will ship to whole Europe



Also price watch websites needed


Assembly:

Don't pay extra money for computer assembly when you can do it by yourself!

The internet has

tons of
guides for assembling a PC. Youtube has many quality videos too

about how to assemble your computer.

If you find any good and up to date guide, please send a link.


Examples:

Gaming PC



M4A78T
-
E



Phenom II 945 3GHz



GTX 260

55nm

(another choice is
2x
HD4770, it wins GTX
)



4GB

DDR3 1333MHz



Samsung 1T
B



Antec 300 + Corsair 400w

~750
-
800€

Has powerful 3.0GHz Quad
-
core processor, graphics are handled by GTX 260 55nm card. Processor is
easy to overclock around 3.8
-
4.0GHz with a good air cooler. GTX has also

lots of oc potential. If you want
a bit more power then chance GTX 260 to GTX 275 card


Really powerful PC



GA
-
MA790FXT
-
UD5P



Phenom II 9
6
5 3.2GHz



2
x
HD 4890 1Gb




4GB

DDR3 1333MHz



Samsung 1T
B



Antec P182B

+ Corsair

TX6
50w

~110
0€

(If you want to save a bit money chance to Phenom II 945 and overclock it a bit.
Mugen 2 is a
good cooler
)

Cheap dual
-
core



GIGABYTE GA
-
MA78GM
-
US2H



AMD Athlon 64 X2 7550



1x
2GB

or 2x2GB

DDR2 800MHZ CL5



Sonata III



Western Digital 500GB

(Integrated GPU, Get
2GB if XP, Get 4GB if Vista or Win7)

~300
-
350€

Cheapest Net PC



Intel D945GCLF2 mini
-
itx (Atom 330)



2GB DDR2 667MHz



Samsung or Western Digital 320GB



Some DVD
-
RW DL



Antec Minuet

350

~270€

And now you have all knowledge you should need to build a good
computer with quality components.


Original Hardware faq & guide can be found from here
Link

to Murobbs murocomputer thread (finnish)