Quick notes off the tape:
Just heard that the SFMTA has
reset the limits to 4 hours or no limit
. Has anybody else seen any evidence of this?
I can't believe that they
have reset the
downtown financial area to 4 hours. This will be good
for my quotes.
So far none of the callers are in favor of the system. I think I am up to around 5 callers.
Krasney asked Shoup about bias toward poor people?
Shoup’s answer, "
I think SFPark will help poor people much
more than the current system does. 30% of the
population in SF doesn't own a car, and uh,
all of the money from SFPark goes to subsidize public transit
think drivers sometimes push poor people out in front of them like human shields, and say don't char
ge for parking
cause it will hurt the poor, when they are really conce
rned that they will have to pay
more for parking. More parking
has gone down than has gone up and in the garages...almost all the parking has dec
lined at all hours, especially
this new system create more parking spots? It is just shifting the parking from drivers parked in busy
areas to drivers parked in less busier areas. How is this supposed to open up by driving s
ome drivers out of busier
Well I think there are a number of things people can do in the busier areas to open up parking. They can park
for a shorter period of time, they can park at a less busy time of day...
or they can park a few
blocks away and walk
I think all of th
ose things will be better for everybody.
ince the pads in the street can detect a space on the street and this information is uploaded through the parking
meters, do meter maids have the ability to know when the meter is expired and go directly to th
e vehicle to issue a
They do not, but, one of the great things about this is we haven't just made it easier to pay with credit cards and
cell phones, we have also relaxed time limits.
Time limits are now either four hours or
there is no time
limit at all
anyone see any evidence of this
? Like across the street from KQED?)
Meter revenue has
gone up but parking citations, that revenue has gone down.
You are bringing a lot of data together here, from the
meters to the parking sensors and the citations
and the transit vehicles and the sales tax...
Yes, it is a fabulous and unprecedented dataset. Really putting a lot of emphasis on evaluating this as a
demonstration project. That is a real responsib
ility that comes with the federal funding.
Another web comment
Now that Muni is merged with DPT creating the MTA bureaucracy, this can throttle the
parking rates up to co
ver Muni mismanagement's red i
nk. Is there pressure from MTA parking rate setters
setting parking rates. (??) Rules that we use, the formulas for adjusting rates are online. So is the data we
use. The occupancy data. So people can go and see themselves...
Sees this as a win win. Is curious about t
he environmental benefits. Will it cause more drivers if parking
turns over more quickly.
Feels that there is a counterbalance effect, "fewer cars will be there". I think the major effect will be in
reducing air pollution in the busiest areas.
lip: Q for Jay
I live in the peninsula and love SF, but hate parking in SF... I'm a recreational SF (night) parker.
For me as a night parker I've used your android app and I wonder why you only publish an aggregated block average
data... instead of showi
ng actual open parking spaces on the app.
couple of reasons for that.... interface shows availability by block space... We didn't want anyone racing
after a particular space, that
is a behavior we wanted to avoid. Another one is the limitations of the user interface, on
a computer screen or smart phone.
Ann Q :
If you are circling and there are no parking spaces, how in the world do they start to open up? As we open
them up and gu
arantee there will be one or two on every block, how do they do that if they are already filled? How
does that work?
Jay A :
There is no guarantee, but it is definitely a goal that most of the time as a driver you will find a parking
space much more quick
ly than you do now... the secrete sauce is really in the demand parking pricing and finding
the lowest rate possible so that most of the time there is an open space on every block. This is something we are
gradually moving toward.
Nicky Q :
This is Nicky
in the Potrero HIll area and I was wondering how you can state all this information about
the environment when there has been no environmental impact report? And also at a recent meeting, you stated there
were no meters starting at 25 cents an hour anywhe
re in the city. So I was wondering if you could make that clear
that you have said that residential areas will start at 25 cents an hour when there are none... And, also there are quite
a few of us in mixed use neighborhoods, TDR and (?) areas who are gett
ing meters in front of our residences and
commercial properties. What do you say to that ? These are not retail businesses. We do not want these meters.
Jay A :
As far as the expected benefits of SFPark, that's the purpose of this federally funded demonstr
ation is to
see, does this approach to mana
gement parking really deliver the environmental benefits, especially in
terms of greenhouse gas emissions reduction. Some of that is based on Dr. Shoup's
research. There is lots of
evidence that suggest that will be the case, but one we are measuring very carefully.
(Did not answer her questions at all.)
Dr. Shoup tells us about the Westwood parking spaces. Some cities have made the benefits specific of t
neighborhoods that get the meters. The newest ones communicate with wifi. So they get free wifi. (For how long if
is free and who is paying for it? And, do you want a free open wifi connection that anyone can use and abuse?)
Krasney Q :
Some anger here
about Potrero Hill, Elizabeth writes: Please ask Jay Primus why he refuses to
cooperate fairly with the Potrero Hill neighborhood. His platitudes about cooperation are pathetic. We have watched
meters pop up overnight after he has told us otherwise. Merch
ants on the Hill are furious, residents are furious, our
representatives are furious, when will it end? This puff piece in the new York Times the other day, was full of mis
statements and outright lies, just cause the city got a multi
million dollar grant
doesn't mean that it should go to
meters that will make business and residents leave the city. It is so unfair. I have lived on Portrero Hill for more than
15 years and though I love it I will consider leaving if I can no longer park in front of my own hom
Jay A :
What is happening on Potrero Hi
ll is that a lot of folks are conflating and confusing SFPark as a
demonstration of these 8 pilot areas that we are talking about today with a separate SFMT proposal to better manage
parking in Potrero Hill,
an area that is dynamic , commercial, (?) 18th Street, that for whatever reason doesn't have
any historical parking management. There is a separate proposal to add meters in that area as a tool. We had talked
about doing those if we were going to use meter
s to manage parking, why not have them included as part of the, as
smart as possible. That is something the community said they didn't want to be part of this demonstration and that is
something we listened to.
On the web: SF seems to have more disabled
drivers that park free than anywhere...
Jay: Disabled parking is a huge issue, but
a lot of that is defined by state law
. (Good to know.)